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romeo_longsword · Feb 24, 2006, 05:04 PM // 17:04

Say both of your Marksmanship and your Wildness is at 10, kindle arrows do 2x the damage, both only ast 24 seconds, why would some top spikers using read the wind instead?

Looking forward to your reply,

Yours,

Noob.

Valerius · Feb 24, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

because Kindle makes ur dmg Fire... therefore it won't work with Orders

Corinthian · Feb 24, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

You can max out Marksmanship to 16 for huge damage and get expertise to 13 with minor rune at the same time, or 14 with major. It also makes any bow a nice railgun.

romeo_longsword · Feb 24, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13

If you max Marksmanship, you get 10 dmg from read the wind. While kindle, you get 18 if you haev WS at about 11.

glountz · Feb 24, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

*4 arrow speed with RtW. Your arrows are somewhat unkitables, with still a decent damage boost.

wsmcasey · Feb 24, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

my favorite combo is to use Poison Arrow {elite}, dual shot, distracting shot, with kindle prep. also throw up favorable winds.

max wilderness +16
meet the bow requirement in marks; and the rest in expertise.

nice damage and poison degen, plus I don't run out of energy nearly as fast as other quick shot/savage shot spike builds.

Corinthian · Feb 24, 2006, 05:22 PM // 17:22

When both orders are up, the damage they do easily surpasses the damage gain from kindle arrows. +18 with kindle arrows or +10 from RtW + 30ish from orders?

Cirian · Feb 24, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Not only Orders, but Barbs and Winnowing are also reliant on causing physical damage to trigger, hence read the wind. Kindle is the better stand alone, but RTW gets the better buffs (I imagine Conjure Flame works with Kindle, but it's still not as good).

Damonias · Feb 24, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

As has been said repeatedly - The reason is because of Orders.

Especially when you consider that most spikers use Dual shot. The extra damage that you get out of the two orders becomes even more so.

Jenosavel · Feb 24, 2006, 11:05 PM // 23:05

It was touched on above, but the fact is that pumping up Marks to 16 and Expertise to 13 doesn't leave all that much extra room for points in Wilderness Survival. Being able to have a preparation without specing into another attribute line can be invaluable at times.

Then add onto that the Orders and spirit comments, as well as the flight time... RtW definitely has its merits.

romeo_longsword · Feb 24, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Jenosavel, does the flight time of FW and RtW stacks?

If I remember correctly, they both increase the arrow speed, which I dont know how fast an arrow can go max, but lets say if an arrow can go faster with RtW, even when FW is already on?

SnipiousMax · Feb 24, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by romeo_longsword

Jenosavel, does the flight time of FW and RtW stacks?

If I remember correctly, they both increase the arrow speed, which I dont know how fast an arrow can go max, but lets say if an arrow can go faster with RtW, even when FW is already on?

I believe they do stack. At least the damage does.

Venenatus Ensis · Feb 24, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24

i dont think there is much of a difference or any at all with arrow speed if you stack RTW and FW. but still, the extra damage just being regular and not fire is great. too many monsters are resilient to fire damage that kindle doesnt end up doing that much.

Murder In China · Feb 24, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

The +xx damage on Read the Wind and Favorable Wind are armor ignoring and stack.

Jenosavel · Feb 24, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

I really have no idea if the flight-time stacks or not. I know the damage didn't used to, but has been recently fixed so that it does. Whether or not the flight-time also stacks now is something I think will be hard to answer. With one or the other up, the flight-time of the arrows is so fast that any further increases will be a a perceptual nightmare to pick-out. I, personally, won't be the one to test that monster.

SnipiousMax · Feb 24, 2006, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Jenosavel

I, personally, won't be the one to test that monster.

LoL! :P

scars of insanity · Feb 24, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

With favorable winds and rtw dual shot does 2 shots at about normal dmg at more than twice the speed. Add in the 30+dmg from orders and wala! u got 4 ranger spikers doing close to 100 dmg per dual shot then they follow up with a punishing and its over. For solo spiking in RA or TA kindle is better along with conjure flame.

romeo_longsword · Feb 25, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by Murder In China

The +xx damage on Read the Wind and Favorable Wind are armor ignoring and stack.

But, would the fire DMG from kindle arrow ignor armour/production also?

SchwarzKnight · Feb 25, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

I've heard that whether or not RtW and FW arrow flight speeds stack depends on which order they're put up in. Kinda glitchy in that way if it's true, but I'm not totally sure.

Murder In China · Feb 25, 2006, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by SchwarzKnight

I've heard that whether or not RtW and FW arrow flight speeds stack depends on which order they're put up in. Kinda glitchy in that way if it's true, but I'm not totally sure.

That was fixed so you can place either first and still receive the +xx damage boost.

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Originally Posted by romeo_longsword

But, would the fire DMG from kindle arrow ignor armour/production also?

No, it will still be reduced by armor.